[Zeek] Official Zeek Community Slack Channel Poll

Tue Oct 15 09:42:01 PDT 2019

A befriended startup recommended Rocket Chat to me the other day:
https://rocket.chat.

When evaluating other options, this might be a contender. It seems there's
IRC integration available as well [1].

    Matthias

[1] https://rocket.chat/2018/07/17/v66-release-post/

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 3:55 PM Richard Bejtlich <richard at corelight.com>
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I agree with Anthony. However, I had never heard of Matrix until Jan's
> post. I checked it out via the Riot Web client, but I couldn't tell if the
> bridge with the #bro IRC channel worked or not. Furthermore, bridging the
> channel required having a registered nick with Freenode, which I had to
> re-activate. Eventually I was able to access Freenode using their Web chat,
> but I don't know if I was able to access #bro as it was quiet.
>
> This is the sort of friction that causes new people to give up on chatting
> about Zeek. Slack at least makes it very easy for new users to learn about
> what happens in a channel.
>
> Also, is there a concept of chat history in Matrix? That's one of the best
> features of Slack, in my opinion. Reading back through time is a great way
> to learn.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Richard
>
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 8:43 AM anthony kasza <anthony.kasza at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Slack is easy for beginners to use and is adopted by many other
>> communities. What's popular isn't always right and Slack definitely has its
>> limitations, as pointed out by others.
>>
>> If other low maintenance, easy-to-use solutions come to light let's try
>> to use them. I agree with Amber; IRC is not growing the community and
>> something else might.
>>
>> -AK
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 04:32 Amber Graner <akgraner at corelight.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Jan, thank you for that suggestion, no need to apologize. And no, slack
>>> has not been settled on as the defacto choice. However, I wanted to
>>> followup with this topic since it has been brought up twice now by the
>>> community.
>>>
>>> Michal, I understand the concern not only with Slack as tool, but also
>>> using closed source tools for an open source project. In addition to
>>> Matrix, which has been suggested by Jan, are there any other alternatives
>>> to Slack or IRC that you would recommend?
>>>
>>> I think the important thing to note, and I believe what the poll will
>>> confirm, is that at the moment very few in the community are using IRC and
>>> many in the community have expressed that they would participate more if
>>> there was an alternative to IRC. I think most people are familiar with
>>> Slack because it's a tool they use in their professional environments and
>>> something they are already familiar with that fits into their current
>>> workflow.  All of which would lower the barrier to entry and promote more
>>> participation. However, let's look into other options as well now that it's
>>> been brought up.
>>>
>>> I'll leave the survey up open as planned, but will prepare to present to
>>> the community and to the Zeek LT a comparison of all alternatives to IRC.
>>>
>>> What other suggestions does anyone have in addition to the following:
>>>
>>>  - IRC
>>>  - Slack
>>>  - Matrix
>>>  - Discourse (chat)
>>>
>>> If you have any other suggestions, please respond here or to me
>>> personally before end of day on 18 Oct 2019, so that I can prepare the
>>> presentation to you, the community and to the Zeek LT.
>>>
>>> This discussion is great!
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for the suggestions and feedback.
>>>
>>> With gratitude,
>>> ~Amber
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 3:54 AM Michał Purzyński <
>>> michalpurzynski1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My private 2c here, not MoCo.
>>>>
>>>> I strongly oppose having a closed platform chosen as a communication
>>>> medium.
>>>>
>>>> Slack has a long story of being hostile to projects as soon as there is
>>>> an opportunity to earn 0.25 cents.
>>>>
>>>> Slack lied about the IRC compatibility, making sure to first close
>>>> projects within the slack world, promising IRC bridge would stay, and then
>>>> silently murdering it.
>>>> I'm pretty sure it was planned for the beginning, to lure projects that
>>>> would not move to slack otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> Slack is notoriously behaving in a counter-inclusive manner, asking
>>>> people to switch to a certain browser, completely ignoring user's choice.
>>>>
>>>> Slack user interface is so bad (on any browser) that it requires a
>>>> specialized client or it will drain your battery in no time.
>>>> I refuse installing a 3rd party software or a client from a company
>>>> with a long history of security ignorance.
>>>>
>>>> Slack ignores Internet standards and bugs in web compatibility.
>>>>
>>>> The list could go on, but I am strongly against closed solutions as
>>>> they give away the power over the project to a single hostile company, for
>>>> them to do whatever they want in the future.
>>>>
>>>> Michal Purzynski, speaking privately, aka not MoCo. Feel free to quote
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 1:27 AM Jan Grashöfer <jan.grashoefer at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am sorry to open the can of worms again but is Slack already set as
>>>>> the platform? Personally, I am in favor of a more open and
>>>>> decentralized
>>>>> approach like matrix [1], which would even allow to bridge the old IRC
>>>>> channel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_(protocol)
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15/10/2019 03:41, Amber Graner wrote:
>>>>> > Hi all,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > There was a question on the mailing list earlier this year and again
>>>>> at
>>>>> > ZeekWeek19 about plans to create an Official Zeek Community Slack
>>>>> Channel.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Below is a 4 question 1 minute survey, please take a moment to
>>>>> respond.  We
>>>>> > will leave the survey up until 21 Oct 2019 5pm PT.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/Official_Zeek_Community_Slack_Channel_Poll
>>>>> >
>>>>> > We will publish the results to the mailing list on 25 October 2019.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > <
>>>>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/Official_Zeek_Community_Slack_Channel_Poll
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Please let me know if you have any questions.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks in advance for taking the time to answer these questions.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > with gratitude,
>>>>> > ~Amber
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
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