[Bro-Dev] "bro" name is non-inclusive? (Contribution is rejected based )
Slagell, Adam J
slagell at illinois.edu
Fri Mar 9 08:57:28 PST 2018
The project announced that it is changing its name this fall. We are still in the process of doing this.
There was also a note in early January noting that the project was seeking outside help from a branding firm, and so there are delays to the original schedule. That was on the main Bro list.
On Mar 9, 2018, at 12:03 AM, Vitaly Repin <vitaly.r at seed4.me<mailto:vitaly.r at seed4.me>> wrote:
I would like to bring your attention to one strange and extremely unexpected difficulty I faced
while trying to include user agent parser for bro I have developed (plugin: https://github.com/vitalyrepin/uap-bro<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_vitalyrepin_uap-2Dbro&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=LLPfgzSVOaTR78OVz-AYCA9XhExBz0EDuOOHjvBypQE&m=jSxpxFbu6Mia_qAkE16UwzAhWPUMZKfZfH2FcH5xAPY&s=b_GX3guD0Uf4EPZszppn3S6m9sL9lVVAoYBNjXXEDSQ&e=> ) into the list of uap implementations https://github.com/ua-parser<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_ua-2Dparser&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=LLPfgzSVOaTR78OVz-AYCA9XhExBz0EDuOOHjvBypQE&m=jSxpxFbu6Mia_qAkE16UwzAhWPUMZKfZfH2FcH5xAPY&s=u3gl3kMUAJPdnow-1k3g_zz_mKL05F_O-ghwkpOBHnY&e=>
The request I have made has been rejected: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ua-parser/nJEc6SZIxyU<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__groups.google.com_forum_-23-21topic_ua-2Dparser_nJEc6SZIxyU&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=LLPfgzSVOaTR78OVz-AYCA9XhExBz0EDuOOHjvBypQE&m=jSxpxFbu6Mia_qAkE16UwzAhWPUMZKfZfH2FcH5xAPY&s=6WuRvIsz3F0Py7qLOcRpRggm4HTZbG6W8yweFbOrffI&e=>
While I understand that you're not responsible for the unfortunate name of the Bro language, and while it might be that the name references an Orwellian "Big Brother" more than it refers to bro culture, I still can't get behind including or linking to a project in a language that has such a non-inclusive name.
That obviously sucks for the effort you've put into this project, and sucks for Bro users that won't be able to find easily. But overall, it sucks even more for women who feel excluded from programming because of such poor naming choices.
Of course, I’ll happily include your project if the programming language changes name.
It sounded very weird for me originally. But I have googled for "bro" and "non inclusive" and found this discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7121268<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__news.ycombinator.com_item-3Fid-3D7121268&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=LLPfgzSVOaTR78OVz-AYCA9XhExBz0EDuOOHjvBypQE&m=jSxpxFbu6Mia_qAkE16UwzAhWPUMZKfZfH2FcH5xAPY&s=cStiq17-bjyIwJ7t1cSWZj0R2PVobwZpyfFnPzYzrWs&e=>
Have anybody faced this problem before? Has it been discussed in any way in the bro community?
I think it might be a good idea to have at least an article with explanation of the origins of the "bro" name and the stand towards inclusiveness. (Not sure it will help with ua-parser project, however).
P.S. Sorry for the partial mail sent a couple of minutes ago.
WBR & WBW, Vitaly
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