[Zeek] Official Zeek Community Slack Channel Poll

Tue Oct 15 09:45:54 PDT 2019

Thanks!  Adding it to the list.

~Amber

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 11:44 AM Matthias Vallentin <vallentin at icir.org>
wrote:

> A befriended startup recommended Rocket Chat to me the other day:
> https://rocket.chat.
>
> When evaluating other options, this might be a contender. It seems there's
> IRC integration available as well [1].
>
>     Matthias
>
> [1] https://rocket.chat/2018/07/17/v66-release-post/
>
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 3:55 PM Richard Bejtlich <richard at corelight.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I agree with Anthony. However, I had never heard of Matrix until Jan's
>> post. I checked it out via the Riot Web client, but I couldn't tell if the
>> bridge with the #bro IRC channel worked or not. Furthermore, bridging the
>> channel required having a registered nick with Freenode, which I had to
>> re-activate. Eventually I was able to access Freenode using their Web chat,
>> but I don't know if I was able to access #bro as it was quiet.
>>
>> This is the sort of friction that causes new people to give up on
>> chatting about Zeek. Slack at least makes it very easy for new users to
>> learn about what happens in a channel.
>>
>> Also, is there a concept of chat history in Matrix? That's one of the
>> best features of Slack, in my opinion. Reading back through time is a great
>> way to learn.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 8:43 AM anthony kasza <anthony.kasza at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Slack is easy for beginners to use and is adopted by many other
>>> communities. What's popular isn't always right and Slack definitely has its
>>> limitations, as pointed out by others.
>>>
>>> If other low maintenance, easy-to-use solutions come to light let's try
>>> to use them. I agree with Amber; IRC is not growing the community and
>>> something else might.
>>>
>>> -AK
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 04:32 Amber Graner <akgraner at corelight.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jan, thank you for that suggestion, no need to apologize. And no, slack
>>>> has not been settled on as the defacto choice. However, I wanted to
>>>> followup with this topic since it has been brought up twice now by the
>>>> community.
>>>>
>>>> Michal, I understand the concern not only with Slack as tool, but also
>>>> using closed source tools for an open source project. In addition to
>>>> Matrix, which has been suggested by Jan, are there any other alternatives
>>>> to Slack or IRC that you would recommend?
>>>>
>>>> I think the important thing to note, and I believe what the poll will
>>>> confirm, is that at the moment very few in the community are using IRC and
>>>> many in the community have expressed that they would participate more if
>>>> there was an alternative to IRC. I think most people are familiar with
>>>> Slack because it's a tool they use in their professional environments and
>>>> something they are already familiar with that fits into their current
>>>> workflow.  All of which would lower the barrier to entry and promote more
>>>> participation. However, let's look into other options as well now that it's
>>>> been brought up.
>>>>
>>>> I'll leave the survey up open as planned, but will prepare to present
>>>> to the community and to the Zeek LT a comparison of all alternatives to
>>>> IRC.
>>>>
>>>> What other suggestions does anyone have in addition to the following:
>>>>
>>>>  - IRC
>>>>  - Slack
>>>>  - Matrix
>>>>  - Discourse (chat)
>>>>
>>>> If you have any other suggestions, please respond here or to me
>>>> personally before end of day on 18 Oct 2019, so that I can prepare the
>>>> presentation to you, the community and to the Zeek LT.
>>>>
>>>> This discussion is great!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for the suggestions and feedback.
>>>>
>>>> With gratitude,
>>>> ~Amber
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 3:54 AM Michał Purzyński <
>>>> michalpurzynski1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My private 2c here, not MoCo.
>>>>>
>>>>> I strongly oppose having a closed platform chosen as a communication
>>>>> medium.
>>>>>
>>>>> Slack has a long story of being hostile to projects as soon as there
>>>>> is an opportunity to earn 0.25 cents.
>>>>>
>>>>> Slack lied about the IRC compatibility, making sure to first close
>>>>> projects within the slack world, promising IRC bridge would stay, and then
>>>>> silently murdering it.
>>>>> I'm pretty sure it was planned for the beginning, to lure projects
>>>>> that would not move to slack otherwise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Slack is notoriously behaving in a counter-inclusive manner, asking
>>>>> people to switch to a certain browser, completely ignoring user's choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Slack user interface is so bad (on any browser) that it requires a
>>>>> specialized client or it will drain your battery in no time.
>>>>> I refuse installing a 3rd party software or a client from a company
>>>>> with a long history of security ignorance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Slack ignores Internet standards and bugs in web compatibility.
>>>>>
>>>>> The list could go on, but I am strongly against closed solutions as
>>>>> they give away the power over the project to a single hostile company, for
>>>>> them to do whatever they want in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michal Purzynski, speaking privately, aka not MoCo. Feel free to quote
>>>>> me.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 1:27 AM Jan Grashöfer <
>>>>> jan.grashoefer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am sorry to open the can of worms again but is Slack already set as
>>>>>> the platform? Personally, I am in favor of a more open and
>>>>>> decentralized
>>>>>> approach like matrix [1], which would even allow to bridge the old
>>>>>> IRC
>>>>>> channel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_(protocol)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/10/2019 03:41, Amber Graner wrote:
>>>>>> > Hi all,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > There was a question on the mailing list earlier this year and
>>>>>> again at
>>>>>> > ZeekWeek19 about plans to create an Official Zeek Community Slack
>>>>>> Channel.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Below is a 4 question 1 minute survey, please take a moment to
>>>>>> respond.  We
>>>>>> > will leave the survey up until 21 Oct 2019 5pm PT.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/Official_Zeek_Community_Slack_Channel_Poll
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > We will publish the results to the mailing list on 25 October 2019.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > <
>>>>>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/Official_Zeek_Community_Slack_Channel_Poll
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Please let me know if you have any questions.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Thanks in advance for taking the time to answer these questions.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > with gratitude,
>>>>>> > ~Amber
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
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>>>>
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